We’re kicking off the 5th season of the Embrace Family Recovery Podcast with an incredible conversation featuring Linda and Stephen from the documentary feature film ‘Our American Family.’
This radically honest portrait dives deep into the generational impact of addiction and the strength it takes to heal as a family.
Linda, born into addiction, shares her powerful story of resilience, while Stephen opens up about navigating the disease within their family system. Don’t miss this moving episode with the courageous matriarch of this family and her youngest son. 💙
I highly recommend watching their film and learning more about this courageous family here https://ouramericanfamilyfilm.com/
Take care of you!
You’re listening to the Embrace Family Recovery Podcast, a place for real conversations with people who love someone with the disease of addiction. Now here is your host, Margaret Swift Thompson.
Margaret 00:20
Welcome back to the fifth season of the Embrace Family Recovery Podcast. Still amazes me that we’re growing and continuing to share the message of family recovery.
Today, I am excited to talk with Linda and her son Stephen from the documentary feature film entitled Our American Family.
Our American Family is a radically honest portrayal of five family members grappling with the legacy of generational addiction as they fight to heal their resentments and pull each other out of the depths of despair caused by this disease. They have generously put this out there for the whole world to understand the family system and the impact of not only the persons with the disease of addiction, but everyone who loves them. Linda shares how she was born into addiction and how she has watched this disease spread through her own life and the lives of her children. Please meet two of the courageous family members in this powerful documentary, Linda and her youngest son, Stephen,
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Margaret 01:58
All right, so go ahead and introduce yourselves to our audience. Tell us how you would introduce yourself to everybody.
Linda: You want to go?
Stephen 02:05
Yeah! So, my name is Stephen Caltabiano. I’m 26 years old, and live right in Ardmore, and I’m from Ardmore as well. I live with my girlfriend, MJ, and our daughter, Ellie, who’s now five months old, and Fatherhood has definitely been quite the journey. I’ve had to learn a lot more about myself in the last five months than I did in the previous 25 years, even with all of the added chaos with my life in those 25 years. So, it definitely has been a journey. And you know, really, really liking life right now. I work for a college recruiting company just helping student athletes try to get connected with more college coaches and yeah, just really busy with work. Keeping myself busy is what probably is helping out the most these days.
Margaret 02:51
Thank you, Stephen and welcome How about you, Linda?
Linda 02:53
Hi, I’m Linda Geraghty, and I’m the mom in Our American Family. I also am a yoga instructor. I have a yoga studio, and post COVID, it looks a lot different than it did, but we do some recovery stuff, and we do recovery dharma there. My qualifiers in the in this whole situation started out being my mom when I was I was born into it with my mother and her eating disorder.
Um and I say in the movie, you know, shows up just like addiction, and then my first husband, who suffered with bipolar and addiction, and then my kids, so then Nicole and Christopher. So, it’s been my whole life I’ve had qualifiers. So be happy to be here. Yeah.
Margaret 03:43
So, how I found out about you is I saw somewhere on social media a post about Our American Family, and I had not seen it, not heard it, and I’m like, what am I missing here? So I streamed it. Holy Hannah Batman. What an unbelievable, courageous thing you both and the rest of your family did by putting it out there for the world to understand the impact of this disease on a family system. So tremendously courageous move. The other thing that was so important that you portrayed well was the impact on each family member and generational. And I didn’t miss what you said, Linda, which is the generational component of this is really a big part of why you wanted to do it, to talk about how it is something that goes through families. And I thank you as a recovering food addict, for sharing from a perspective of mom’s disease being just like addiction,
Linda: Yeah.
Margaret: And that’s important, because in my world, it is.
04:50
Linda: Yeah. In our family, it is to, you know, there’s so many things that were not said in the movie. And you know, all of us suffer with some sort of eating disorder. Me, all my siblings, and all three of my children. So, it’s, it’s definitely a huge component food and sometimes is what triggers drug use, you know.
Margaret 05:11
So, your family is made up of who were in the movie. Was yourself and your husband, Brian, and then Nicole and Christopher. And is Christopher the middle, yes, okay. And then you Stephen the youngest. Yes, yes, me the youngest. And then there’s your beautiful granddaughter,
Linda: Giovanna.
Margaret: Giovanna, what a lovely name. And this was filmed, what time, what a what year?
05:37
Linda: That was 2017 to 18. So it was December to December. It was one year. Okay, yeah,
Margaret 05:45. and that’s how many years ago? Do the math,
Linda: Five. Like five, yeah? Because she turned three in the movie and she’s eight now.
Margaret 05:55
We’ll have a lot to catch up since the movie. But before we do that, you shared with me, when we chatted up doing the podcast, that you had certain parameters that were really important to you about making the movie, I’d love you to share that for the listeners, because I was really struck by that also,
06:12
Linda: Yeah, and I think Stephen can say too. You know, it kind of was sprung on him that he said yes, but he was in college at the time. So, it was really about all of us participating, because there’s been enough movies about the single person and maybe the sister or whatever it is, but it’s never the whole family. And the whole family is, you know, it happens to the whole family. The whole family gets sick. So that’s what we wanted to do. We also did not want to show any kind of drug use, because that’s been done. We know what it looks like. Go watch, you know, some, some kind of a reality show. You’ll see it. And we wanted it to be respectful. And I know that in the movie, it’s, you know, there’s a lot of stuff that’s going on that doesn’t seem and by respectful, I mean handled with care. And I do believe the filmmakers did that. We did come in and say, if we’re going to do this, we want it to be real. We’re tired of all the, you know, half stories that are out there. And this is what a lot of families look like. It’s just, we’re just one of many, many and it might not look exactly like ours, but it’s close enough sometimes.
Margaret 07:32
What did you feel, Stephen, when you were first approached at that tender age of leaving high school, going into college? Of okay, we’re going to put this out there for the world.
07:41
Stephen: I would be lying if I said that I wasn’t extremely excited about it, simply because when growing up, you, you know, and especially when going through hard things, talking with your teenage friends. Oh, man, I like what I just came back from. It could be put into a movie. That’s how crazy what I just went through was. So then, when you’re 19 years old, and somebody says, like, look, they actually do want to make a movie about some of this stuff, it was pretty exciting for me. I thought that a lot of the things that were put on the table there would come to life, and then honestly think that things would get better too in the long run because of it. Which I’m finding out now might not be the case, but it still is good that we have, you know, that we did it, and I think that it’s a positive experience overall.
08:23
Linda: Yeah, and we didn’t do it for any outcome, yeah, it was just to show that we there’s that, you know, I think there’s a story arc or whatever, but you know, it doesn’t end. There’s just,
Stephen: Yeah,
Linda: it’s not like it wrapped up in a bow and it’s done, right?
Stephen: Yeah.
Linda: We’ve had way worse years after that, you know, so and
Margaret: I’m sorry to hear that.
Linda: that’s okay. That’s part of it, though, right?
Margaret: It’s not surprising.
Linda: Yeah,
Margaret 08:49
The illness is what it is, and I really respect what you said about it being impacting the entire family. I get really tired in the world of addiction, that we talk about it as a family disease, and yet we give so little support to the family around the person with the disease. That’s why I launched my business. I definitely think we sub serve families. But we won’t go down that path. What we will do, though, is talk about what I’d love to ask you, Stephen, I ask everybody this, and I think, Linda, you could probably answer this from your own childhood. Stephen, at what age were you first aware something was wrong with your siblings, or something was going on with them? But you may not have even known the word for it. Maybe you did? Curious, if you can recall,
09:36
Stephen: Yeah, um, probably when I was about five years old, and I do recall because it was, you know, eventful things and impactful moments, definitely still, you know, they weigh down in our memory sometimes. And even though I was five years old, I remember my sister being in high school, and, you know, my mom working late nights, and her throwing house parties. And me kind of like waking up to get to kindergarten and walking over some high school kids. That were passed out, drunk on the ground, or even just crazy experiences that her and her friends at the time would, you know, go through in the living room. We were a part of it just by being a witness to it. Sometimes, you know whether that was because at the time, when I’m five, I just think that people are being loud, and you know that could be interpreted in many ways. I can think maybe sometimes I’m thinking that, okay, yeah, they’re downstairs having a big party right now or and it’s a fun time. But in reality, they’re doing things that are probably not beneficial for their life in the long run. And, um, yeah. So, at five this point, I, um, definitely started noticing things with my sister, and I didn’t list the qualifiers in the beginning. So, I would say that her my dad and my brother were probably the three in my life that made me want to learn more about addiction. Sure,
Margaret 10:47
Sure, and what point did it switch to? Okay, I know there’s a problem, and it’s around drugs or alcohol when
10:54
Stephen: When, I was probably in fourth or fifth grade, when, you know, we moved into my step dad’s house when I was in fourth grade, and that’s also when my mom and Brian got married. So, I’d consider 2007 one of the better years of my life. And you know, moving forward, I guess, and also being a kid, you think, okay, no bad things are ever going to happen ever again, because now I’m in a very safe spot. But, you know, obviously life happens, and being a little kid, I’m not able to decipher that for myself. So, you know, I just had to. Just had to discover things along the way. I would say fifth grade is when I really started noticing what addiction was.
Margaret 11:32
Okay. Thank you. The reason I ask that is I have many grown-ups and adults who think the children are not impacted. They don’t know. I know that’s not the case. Intuitively. We know, even if we don’t physically or mentally comprehend everything going on, something feels wrong, we’re pretty intuitive beasts as children, and that’s what we know.
So, Linda, you know you share candidly you were born into it through your mom’s anorexia and that it behaved like addiction. What age do you remember being aware? Was it always the case? Was there an age where you really comprehended it?
12:07
Linda: Yeah, I think when I was about three, I was sitting under the dining room table. My mom was ironing because she took on ironing to make extra money, and my dad was just yelling at her, calling her broomstick and saying there was like nothing he could hold on to. You know. I didn’t understand that fully, but I understood that at that point, her not eating was a problem for him, and it, you know, it just got worse with her. I mean, she just took in foster kids. She just added to the chaos, added, added adopted kids. We already had five, so there was just, she was always adding things so that, you know, I guess so. Not a psychiatrist, but it looked to me like she did that so she didn’t have to look at herself. So she, you know, was like a smoke screen, almost. But yeah, I would say about threes when I knew something was different. But you know, she was really different than any mom I knew. So it was, yeah, I knew there was something, pretty much like probably kindergarten, first grade, when I started really understanding that my mom had a problem.
Margaret 13:26
Yeah, so very young, both of you very formative ages,
13:30
Linda: Yeah, and Steven was, um, I would say, like he he’s been through so much with his father and the father’s girlfriend, and just what he tells that story, I cringe, because it’s like, where was I when he tells that story, I’m like, where was I? And when I think back on that time when we were going through the divorce, I was not in a good place, you know, I was really not in but, you know, to leave Nicole with them. I don’t think I did it a whole lot, but I think just to do that at all, what kind of decision? So that’s how it was impacting me, because it was so much addiction around me that I wasn’t really making sound decisions. I was working a lot, trying to make ends meet, dealing with a lot of other stuff, but look what it did, like thinking back on them, like what you know, I know better than that. So, it really is how your mind changes with all of it.
Margaret 14:33
So absolutely, when we’re in survival mode and crisis is everywhere, danger can be places. We do the best we can to survive and no judgment, right? You were trying to make enough money, probably to make that divorce work, so that you could raise your kids and provide and all the other things that go along with those stressors.
14:54
Linda: And I thought Nicole was like, I didn’t know I was looking at it from my own perspective of. What I was like when I was her age and other kids, so I wasn’t seeing a huge problem, but I didn’t know she had a problem then.
Margaret 15:08
Well, when someone has the disease of addiction, you all know this as well as anybody. They’re going to try and keep the people in their life from knowing as long as they can, because the disease tells them to do that, because the disease is convincing them and that if the family knows, then the party’s over, and we have to do this to survive. So, I hope that you know, along this journey and whatever help you’ve received, that you truly know that it’s not your fault.
15:32
Linda: Yeah, no, I do. I do know that. I think you know on a regular basis, I see a therapist, I go to Al- Anon, and I go to parent support, so I have a lot of supports. And what I will say, healing is not linear, you know? So, yes, I’ve been there where I’m like, Yeah, I know it’s not my fault, and I’m good, I’m healed, but then I’m not healed because there’s triggers. And I don’t know that with all the generational trauma that I’m going to get to the end of my life and have sorted through it all. So it does still come out, you know? And so, yeah, right now, because things are much harder than they were maybe a year ago, those old things come up so that then, you know what I mean. So,
Margaret: Yes,
Linda: logically, I know that. But still it’s, it’s still, you know.
Margaret 16:22
It’s a hard thing, the other piece of it too, is that, and I feel like I’m preaching to the choir. But the other piece of it is, is, as family members, we relapse too, not just the person with the disease. We relapse back into old behaviors of coping, the things we know to our core how to do come back like that, just like the using can come back for the person with a substance use disorder.
16:45
Linda: Oh, so true. And you don’t even know you’re in it. You’re in it, you just wake up and you’re like, Wait, how did I get here again? Right? I know not to go here, but here I am, right? And then with the drugs, it’s the same. They look up and say the same thing. So, it’s very similar. It’s a parallel process. In my words.
Margaret 17:05
Yeah,
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Margaret 19:06
So, when, when you made the decision to film the movie, again, I admire and respect that you said no glorifying use or showing use, because people know that, can see that this is more about relationships. And yes, your family is unique, and colorful, and charismatic, and vocal, and many other words I could come up with. And so yes, your story is going to be unique to you guys, and there’s a commonality for every family to relate to. One my number one question was burning to ask you after watching the movie. You film it, you go through it the first time, you sit and watch it together. Like, what was that like? Because you all had moments on your own and things you didn’t see each other doing and experiencing watching yourself doing what you were doing. So whatever parts of that you want to tackle, I’m really curious to know how.
20:00
Linda: We were all together, right?
20:02
Stephen: Yeah, we were so that was, that was a really, really awesome day. You know, Haley Adelman, the director, producer of the documentary, who did make a really awesome environment for us, the for the entire family throughout the film. You know, she set up a screening for us the first time we did watch it. And it was, I thought it was incredible. I, you know, I had a little notepad out, like, taking notes as we were going along, because obviously, knowing that, like, I wanted to get my first initial reactions from watching it and find out how I could maybe answer questions after the fact. But um, was definitely wrapped up in it, entirely impressed, and a lot of tears were shed. For sure,
20:37
Margaret: I’m sure, I’m sure.
Linda: For me, it was hard. I found myself extremely annoying. I thought I talked too much in the first time I saw it, I was please shut like so much because and then it made me realize how much I try to control things. Do you know what I mean? And it was really a mirror. There’s two, two scenes in particular. One of them doesn’t even include me, but the other one does that every time I see it. It really is hard. However, they were right to put it in because we wanted to tell the truth. So, it was hard to watch, but I was proud of it at the same time. And as we’ve gone on, it’s got much easier to watch.
21:25
Stephen: I pinpoint like specific moments too. I wish that I would I spoke up, because they had the opportunity to come into my college classroom at West Chester University, and I was against it, because I didn’t want my classmates asking me, hey, why is there a camera crew in our classroom? And then me having to tell them there’s massive amounts of heroin addiction in my family. So, I don’t know why at the time, because, you know, people go the millions of people that deal with this across the country.
Margaret 21:54
Well, the other thing is, Steven, to be fair, even in 17 right? Yes, we weren’t talking about opiates like we are today.
Stephen: True, you’re right.
Margaret: It is going across the country. 1000s of families, hundreds of 1000s of families are affected by this in every type of addiction, and opiates have become much more prolific in being talked about, in being recognized in every family, in different ways than they were even that short period of time ago. And I think to actually put yourself out like you did, if there was one part of your life you wanted to protect, who could blame you?
22:32
Stephen: Yeah, you’re right. I agree. And you know what, my girlfriend, MJ and I were watching the documentary, actually, again, probably a couple weeks ago. And you know, there was a scene in there where everybody was arguing in the kitchen, and I told MJ while we were watching, and I was like, I remember my exact thought process as I was in this scene. And I really wish that I spoke up when, when talking about my grandparent’s conjoined funeral, and Nicole and Chris’s role in there, when they showed up high to that. So, I wish that I spoke up in the moment while they were filming, because I wanted to speak my piece on that. And, um, I that was another thing that I did regret from there.
Margaret 23:12
I would love to know your perception right now of what it was like then that you wish you’d said.
23:17
Stephen: Yeah, so um, that it was obviously a really, was a tragic week for our family when my grandma Rita and grandma Angie, died within the same week, and especially for my popop too, because that’s his mom and his wife, right? And you know, our whole family wants to rally around that. And it was very emotional for me too, being the only sibling that was here. I didn’t have any of my siblings available at the time, right when we showed up to the viewing, they were clearly, um, intoxicated off of opiates, probably Percocet. I think it was discussed since. But, um, you know, when we got there, it was kind of embarrassing for everybody in the entire family. There was multiple guys that had to carry the caskets out. Me being one of them. And I remember seeing my siblings in the corner of my eye, just kind of like glaring and like making small talk, little, chatter and but it was very disrespectful, and it’s a moment that I won’t forget, and I wish I spoke up on that in the moment and called them out for it being disrespectful. Because in the documentary, they kind of undermined it a little bit. And I could have had my mom’s back in that scene for sure.
24:20
Linda: Well, you I didn’t need you to have my back. But the point was that, you know, there it was hard, and it’s the minimizing that happens. There’s, there’s never validation for anything you feel even now,
24:31
Stephen: yes, and right now, I’m speaking on behalf of somebody who is very sick of the minimizing. So, yeah,
24:37
Linda: yeah, we both are right, yes, yes. And, and so he, you know, that was hard, because it wasn’t so much like, what were they doing? It wasn’t about that, you know, it was addiction. It was more just that their presence. Whatever they were using, I was the evil mother that they didn’t talk to. So there was so much disrespect. There just they didn’t even, like, look at me when they walked through the line. They didn’t say, I’m sorry, mom, nothing, and I didn’t expect it, but it my brother got mad and he escorted them out. It’s just the presence of it and just knowing that that’s not even your kids and I they’re not that addiction is not welcome here, you know.
Margaret 25:17
So, when working with families, it is about learning to set boundaries against the disease while loving the person, because the person underneath the disease is that person. The disease is what changes every characteristic within that person and subsequently hurts each of you and everyone around them, because they’re hijacked. They’re hijacked by a substance that controls their every move, every thought, every behavior. And even though, in that scene, I believe at least Nicole was sober, for sure, Chris might have been, but we don’t know, because it wasn’t actually formally discussed. If I recall, there was a lot of reactivity when asked about it, which is again, normal. But I think that who’s speaking, even in early recovery, it takes a while for us, and I am one, to get honest to ourselves about the conditions of our behavior, about the harm done to people we love. Right? That takes work in recovery. That doesn’t just happen when I clean up and stay sober for a period of time,
26:22
Linda: Absolutely, I mean, you know, Nicole even said it in the movie, you know, I do things I normally would never, ever do, and that we are struggling now, the movie is a comfort, because those words resonate, You know, it reminds me this is not what she wants to be, right, you know, but it’s still, you know, you love them, and I do. And then there’s the part where it’s like, okay, keep the communication lines open until it becomes so like, detrimental to yourself. And those decisions are made. Like, again, it’s not linear. For today, we say, okay, we’re going to block this off. We’re not going to deal with it because there’s no more we can take. But that doesn’t mean forever. It means for today, and then the next day we make the decision again,
Margaret: yep.
Linda: The problem with that is the codependent part of it is like, oh my gosh, she could be dead right now, because I don’t have and it’s like, all day you feel like that, but to not do that, could just, it’s not good for them to not do that. You can’t just give them room to just be horrible. You know that it’s they’re never going to look at themselves, even have a chance of looking at themselves so but you do, in the beginning, get very pulled in.
Margaret 27:49
You were born into it, yeah. You know, I think again, give yourself grace. You were born into it, and were trained, my language by a disease, to behave in a certain way to survive. And Stephen, I feel like the same was true for you, you know, and it’s no harm, no foul, no judgment, no shame. It’s the reality of if you’re born into this, and this is what is, “normal” in this system, we are taught by the disease how to survive. And it appeared, Stephen, that you did a similar role, and I’m curious of your take on this, for both of you, that your mom did. There was a pivotal moment in the movie which caught my breath, which was when I don’t want to give it too much away, because I want people to watch it, but when your mom called you, I think you’re at the at the ballpark,
Stephen: Yeah, yeah.
Margaret: And your mom didn’t say a word other than hello and maybe your name, and you immediately knew something was wrong.
28:48
Stephen: Yeah, it was the way she said, hey, Steven, yeah, you know, I don’t know. It’s just kind of what the way that, I think that the same way that as parents, you know, we can tell when our children are in distress. This, I think it does go hand in hand with the you know, when you’re a kid and you have your parent talking as well, you know, when something is a little bit in distress, and in that moment, yeah, I was just coming back from long baseball practice. We were doing soft toss throughout the entire time. It was actually somewhat intense, because my older brother was running the practice,
Margaret: Right?
Stephen: And, um, yeah, you know, you’re not prepared for those types of phone calls, but when you do, it’s, um, you know, you just got to know that things are going to happen that follow, and you’re going to have to act accordingly with that. yeah. But
29:39
Linda: Yea, but you, you asked me if I was okay.
Stephen: Yeah, I did ask if you were okay
Margaret 29:41
Right away, yeah. And I think, Stephen, you’re right. We do intuitively feel things in our loved ones. I also think some of us, because of the way the disease affects us, are hyper vigilant to reading the feeling, reading the room. Know, to protect ourselves, and that’s that’s a very human condition, and not everybody does that. And it felt like in that moment, that was a good example of how that works in the family system. That you were very tuned into mom, and if mom was okay, you know, reading that for yourself to be okay.
30:19
Stephen: Yeah, yeah. And, you know, growing up, I wasn’t always in tune with my mom in that regard, but because we were going through so many things, you know, simultaneously, it wasn’t until late high school when it was just me in the house with my mom, my step dad, where we were able to kind of, like, communicate with each other at the rate that we probably should have been doing all of this time, and it’s not my fault, it’s not her fault, but it’s just based off of the environment that we were coming from. And, you know. For us to have, you know, those years in the house together, when I was in late high school, and then, um, you know, on all of the visits back when I would come home from either leadership, Westchester, um, you know, we would have open, an open line of communication when it especially came to our emotions. You know, it’s really good to talk about things like that. And, you know, I’m very, very grateful for, you know, not just the experiences, but to just have somebody that have parents that can talk to me about these things. Is incredible.
Margaret 31:17
It is. It is. And Linda, that is one thing that came through loud and clear through the movie too, was your desire to put words to your feelings, words to the illness, words to the impact, validate your own experience, your loved one’s experience, and navigate everybody’s place on their acceptance of that. Because it wasn’t all the same. You all went through it in your own way.
31:40
Linda: Yeah, for sure. When I hear Steven talking about that, you know what happened when you said hyper vigilant? You know it’s, it’s, it can destroy your life that hyper vigilance if you don’t do the work around it. And I watched Stephen really struggle with that a lot, and I too have struggled with it. So, I recognize it in him, where, you know, you almost get paranoid that people are saying things about you when they’re not, like you’re not a paranoid, like you don’t have that mental disease. However, you do show up that way because you’re so used to people you know tugging at you that it’s hard to even walk in a room and think that people aren’t, I mean, I’ve done enough work on that I don’t feel that way anymore, but I know that I it took me a long time to get there, where I felt judged all the time and nobody was judging me. You know, looking back, it’s like nobody was thinking about me that much. But, you know, you walk in a room, and you just feel, you know, you have to look around like almost like a reptile.
Margaret 32:52
We will return next week when Linda and Stephen will bravely continue to share their story of this multi-generational illness.
Please stream ‘Our American Family’ on Apple TV, Amazon Prime, Tubi or YouTube.
Join us next week when we pick up and continue with their story of healing and the struggles this disease creates, one day at a time.
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I want to thank my guests for their courage and vulnerability in sharing parts of their story. Please find resources on my website, embracefamilyrecovery.com.
Margaret 33:34
This is Margaret Swift Thompson, until next time, please take care of you!
